A | The following is a transcript of an interview with Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo that aired on "Face the Nation" on September 3, 2023.
ROBERT COSTA: We now go to the Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo. Good morning, Secretary. Thanks for being here. Let's begin with the economy. On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released the jobs report for August, and people around their tables this weekend are looking at it. It shows 187,000 jobs were added last month, exceeding expectations. But more people are working more than one job. How worried are you about this?SECRETARY GINA RAIMONDO: Good morning, thanks for having me. This jobs report is exactly what we want to see at this point in the recovery. As you just said, you know, creating more jobs, really exciting is that people are getting off of the sidelines. You know, we're seeing more people come into the labor force and there are jobs for them. As you say, people are working, you know, more than one job and wages are up, it should be said, but this is exactly why President Biden is so focused on creating manufacturing jobs, which are higher paid, getting folks the skills they need to get a higher paying job. There's still a lot of work to do to make sure that every American has the skills they need to get a job, which is family support and sustaining. But- and we're doing that work. But overall, there's a lot to like in this jobs report. And it's exactly- it exceeded our expectations. ROBERT COSTA: In terms of that work that's still to be done, the administration is touting its efforts. It's confident in the economy. But our CBS News polling, Secretary, shows 65% of Americans still view the economy as being in a bad place. Why do you believe your administration, along with President Biden, has struggled to reassure those Americans about these policies and about the economy?SEC. RAIMONDO: So it's- it's an interesting, you know, dichotomy between the- the numbers, and as you say the polling numbers or the- the perception numbers, I think the reality is that inflation still exists. And it is, you know, something that people see on a daily basis when they go to the grocery store, or pay their rent, or pay their mortgage. And we have to know that, you know, that's still a challenge for folks. That being said, if you look at where we are today, compared to when the President took office, it's an unbelievable story of progress. And I will tell you, even I, you know, his- the President's Commerce Secretary, if you had told me when we started based on where the economy was, how high the unemployment rate was, how, you know, disrupted supply chains were, that we'd be sitting here now with this jobs picture, I might not have believed it. I mean, it's just a stunning amount of progress. The economy- we're among the strongest economies in the world. We all went through COVID, right, Europe did, China did, Asia did yet we have emerged, the fastest and the strongest. So I don't want to minimize what Americans are feeling, and that's why we get up and go to work every day. But this economy by any measure is doing incredibly well and much better than anyone could have predicted I think three years ago when we started.
ROBERT COSTA: After looking back, let's also look ahead, the White House is working with Congress to hammer out an agreement on a short term funding measure to avoid an October 1 partial federal government shutdown. When you talk to business leaders right now, are they worried about this deadline and what a shutdown could mean for the US economy?SEC. RAIMONDO: Yes, they are worried- they're very worried. They are, I think, in some cases, frustrated that this is how government operates. You know, what businesses need to be successful is- is predictability, you know, predictability, some semblance of, you know, regular order. And so these sorts of disruptions that are mainly driven by politics. So it's a challenge for the economy and have the potential to set us back. So I do hope that there will be a speedy resolution.ROBERT COSTA: Secretary, you are the first commerce secretary in five years to be on the ground in China in recent days. What progress, if any, do you think you made on the ground there?SEC. RAIMONDO: I think we made a great deal of progress. In terms of concrete deliverables, I was able to open three specific lines of communication with the Chinese, which is a huge step forward. We haven't really had any contact in more than five years. So we agreed to share information about export controls, we agreed to open a dialogue on commercial issues, which is so important, because China has not treated US business fairly. And so it's- we got to put those issues on the table. And we agree to have exchange around trade secrets, another area where businesses need to- deserve to know that their trade secrets will be protected in China. But I think more than any of that we just are starting to resume a direct line of contact and communication, which we need to do if we're going to manage what is a very complex and potentially volatile relationship with China.
ROBERT COSTA: So people may be heartened to hear at least some that the US and the Chinese, they're talking, there's open lines of communication right now. But what's next, beyond having this dialogue? What specifically can you say is going to happen next?SEC. RAIMONDO: So my message to the Chinese officials with whom I met is that action speaks louder than words. So they gave verbal assurances that they will treat US businesses fairly, that they will not engage in non-market practices which hurt American workers. And my message was, well, let's see it. You know, actions speak louder than words. So time will tell whether they are going to really be as they say they want to be, you know, more market oriented and open and reform minded when it comes to their economy, their regulatory regime. They need to be less arbitrary in the way they administer regulations to actually give American businesses a fair shot to compete.ROBERT COSTA: You said on the trip that quote, increasingly, I hear from American business that China is uninvestable, because it becomes too risky. So what exactly did you get in terms of those assurances from the Chinese, that would really give confidence to American business leaders?SEC. RAIMONDO: They said that they would talk to American businesses and begin to address these issues. Like, for example, one of the complaints I hear frequently from US business, by the way, business who are used to doing business in- in difficult parts of the world. They say that, you know, China's regulations are not at all transparent. You know, they'll raid a business in March and not explain what went on for many months. They will arrest folks but not provide due process or tell you what happened. And so when I expressed these concerns, I was heard, I wasn't given any promises. But one thing that I think we can take a bit of heart in is it's in China's interest. It's in their economic interest to have foreign direct investment and to make sure, you know, they had a very good economy when they were market oriented and reform minded. And so we have to hope that self interest will affect their future decisions.ROBERT COSTA: So they might have that motivation, but you saw them face to face, you had meetings with them. That's the value of having these sorts of trips. Do you trust the Chinese at this point after all of your conversations, after digesting what happened on your trip, do you trust them?SEC. RAIMONDO: Trust is probably not the word I would use. We need to see action. And until we see action, there can be no trust.ROBERT COSTA: And they hacked into your own email account so that might have hurt the ability to have a trustworthy relationship.
SEC. RAIMONDO: Exactly. And I said that, you know, hacking my account erodes trust, undermining American workers, by over subsidizing certain industries erodes trust, treating American businesses unfairly on the ground erodes trust. So but, you know, look, I- we can't be naive and oversimplify this relationship, this very challenging relationship. But we have to be practical, right? We have to protect ourselves first and foremost, national security, the United States. Beyond that we have to be practical and look for places where we can have a strong commercial relationship because we need stability in this relationship. That's good for America. And- and I think it's what the world is expecting of us and of China.ROBERT COSTA: You're looking for stability, Secretary. But the big question is, is China's economy stable? There have been indicators over the last several months that showed China's economy's in a slowdown. When you were over there, did you get insights, if any, about whether the Chinese economy is slowing down? And how concerning would that be for the United States?SEC. RAIMONDO: I think there's no question that it is slowing down. And certainly they're having real, real significant challenges in the real estate sector, which they readily acknowledged when I was there. But again, to my mind, the facts are quite clear in this regard. When China was more market oriented, open, you know, a little bit more transparent, their economy did very well. And more recently, as they have closed down and become more arbitrary in the way they administer regulations, the economy is quite challenged. So time will tell. The decision- the ball's in their court- the decisions are theirs. We want a large and stable economic relationship with them, but they have to play by the rules. And we are always going to act in our own American self-interest.ROBERT COSTA: Speaking of playing by the rules, there's such a standoff right now between the Chinese and tech companies. Semiconductors are crucial for our economy, yet China's threatening to curb the mineral supply to the US and the West. And many US businesses tell CBS they're operating in China, but seeing this hostile environment with raids, and fines. So how is your administration going to solve this back and forth between the Chinese and the tech industry?SEC. RAIMONDO: This is exactly why I went to China. It's exactly why I went, showed up, had meetings. I met with my counterpart for more than four hours. I met with the premier for more than one hour. They were open, candid, honest discussions. How are we going to resolve these issues? Because I'll tell you, prior to going to China, I personally spoke with more than 100 US business leaders and labor leaders. And what they tell me is that even the ones that have been doing business in China for decades, you know, these are sophisticated people used to dealing with the traditional concerns of, you know, IP- IP theft or non-market practices. They say, it's much harder now. Right? Like China is making it more difficult because of the reasons you say the raids, the counter espionage law. They are going to make a business decision to do business in other countries unless that improves. And so I was very clear with China that we need to- patience is wearing thin among American business. They need and deserve a predictable environment and a level playing field. And hopefully China will heed that message so we can have a stable growing commercial relationship.ROBERT COSTA: And there are many voices as you know in the ears of American business leaders. A Wall Street Journal report, earlier this year, for example, said that the FBI director, Christopher Wray, wants businesses to help fight China and cyber threats. He reportedly said that only through cooperation with the FBI can that agency marshal an effective response. Do you agree with Director Wray?SEC. RAIMONDO: I agree that business has an important role to play partnering with us to ensure America's national security across a range of different areas, including technology. And, you know, that's why we are in such close contact with business, frankly, often the information they have on the ground is some of the best that we can- we can get.
ROBERT COSTA: But is it good for businesses to work with the FBI specifically?SEC. RAIMONDO: Every business has to make their own decision. But I definitely think there's value- there's mutual value for business, and certainly for the government to have communication and coordination.ROBERT COSTA: And I'm often out on the campaign trail, Secretary. And I know you stay out of politics. But one thing I'm hearing from so many Republicans across the country, especially governors, they want to block Chinese companies from making investments and buying farmland in the United States. Does the Biden administration and do you support Chinese companies making investments and buying farmland in the United States?SEC. RAIMONDO: We have to be very, very careful, we have to screen every investment and make a decision as to whether it hurts our national security or not. Not every investment from China into America is- harms our national security, but many do. And so it's a case by case basis, looking into the facts and being as tough as we need to be, but also being, you know, realistic and not hyperbolic. Just being, like I say, practical. It's time to be practical, pragmatic and serious about managing every aspect of this relationship.ROBERT COSTA: Secretary Raimondo, we appreciate you taking the time on a Sunday. Thank you.SEC. RAIMONDO: Thank you. Have a great Labor Day weekend. 。
B | 连续多周包揽全球开源模型调用量排名前两席8月13日凌晨，杭州深度求索人工智能基础技术研究有限公司（DeepSeek），又悄悄搞了个大动作——DeepSeek V4 Pro正式版发布。此前，DeepSeek V4的另一个版本Flash正式版已于7月底发布。从官方测评数据看，Pro版本能力大幅提升，多项指标已接近Anthropic Fable 5等国外顶尖闭源模型。而在十天前，另一家浙江公司阿里巴巴发布旗舰模型Qwen3.8-Max，首次亮相即进入权威评测平台LMArena综合榜Top 5。全球开源模型调用量排名中，两个浙产大模型DeepSeek与千问已连续多周包揽前两席。人工智能正成为创新浙江最鲜明的标识、最核心的支撑。
C | 而选择“开源”来加速技术迭代、构建产业生态，成为浙产大模型企业一条坚定而清晰的路径。这是企业对技术路径和商业模式的选择，也是浙江发展人工智能的战略共识。正如中国工程院院士、之江实验室主任王坚反复提及的观点：人工智能开源，正从开放源代码即“Open Source”，转为开放资源即“Open Resource”。中国开放AI模型，本质上意味着把背后的资源和机遇开放给全世界。性能做强，门槛降低“便宜的没它强，强的没它好用。”8月13日，杭州嗡嗡科技有限公司负责人刘杲劼试用了DeepSeek V4 Pro版本。他告诉记者，此前公司刚从国外模型切换到了7月底发布的DeepSeek V4 Flash版本，它在编程等工作上表现不错，费用降低了不少。
D | 这是DeepSeek和千问广受欢迎的原因：够便宜，够好用。便宜到什么程度？DeepSeek V4 Flash最近采用了分时定价机制，在空闲时段，每百万输出Token仅需4.5元人民币，即便在高峰时段，价格也仅为9元/百万输出Token。
E | 相比顶尖的国外模型，价格优势依然显著，两者在代码编写能力相差不大，官方测试数据显示仅差几个百分点。好用到什么程度？DeepSeek V4 Pro总参数1.6万亿、每次激活约490亿参数，V4 Flash总参数2840亿、激活130亿参数，两者全系开源，均支持百万Token超长上下文。Qwen3.8-Max同样如此：总参数量达2.4万亿，单次推理激活950亿参数，采用稀疏混合专家架构，支持最大1M Token的上下文窗口。这意味着开发者更方便在其上自由搭建、改造，并商业化落地。
F | 杭州电子科技大学计算机学院副院长余宙告诉记者，国内的开源大模型集中精力做了两件事——把模型性能做强，把使用门槛降低。“中小企业很难从0到1训练一个大模型。”浙江古珀医疗科技有限公司是杭州一家专注医疗大数据领域的科技企业，创始人张强说，对开发者而言，这两大开源模型提供了成本更低、性价比更高的选择，拉低了人工智能现实落地的门槛。古珀就利用开源模型Qwen3.6-35B-A3B和Qwen3.6-27B，打造了一个面向C端的医疗智能体，具有“医生分身+智能随访+慢病风险评估智能体+健康管理”等功能。截至目前，浙江累计已完成90款生成式人工智能服务备案。其中，有一些模型，就是利用千问、DeepSeek等基础大模型进行二次开发和参数调整获得的。融入全球，改写规则两个“顶流”大模型的背后，是浙江在战略层面锚定的路线。浙江省“十五五”规划纲要中六次提及“开源”，频次之高、着墨之重，前所未有。2026年省政府工作报告提出，“积极抢占人工智能发展制高点，着力营造最优开源开放生态”，将开源列为全省AI布局的核心抓手之一。
G | 7月16日，浙江省委十五届九次全会在杭州举行。全会期间进行了人工智能专题辅导授课，组织考察了国家人工智能应用中试基地（具身智能）、“魔搭社区”（杭州）开发者中心、杭州城西科创大走廊未来科技城展馆。其中，“魔搭社区”是国内最大的人工智能开源社区。魔搭社区以“模型即服务”的模式，线上汇聚全球超2900万人工智能开发者、超20万个模型，极大降低了人工智能应用创新的门槛。
H | 浙江大学人工智能学院教授、本科生院院长吴飞解释了开源的底层逻辑：“开源是开放知识与创造能力。AI技术具有先行者引领的溢出效应，需要去主动构建开源生态。”“极致性价比+开放生态”的浙产大模型，正在重写全球AI竞争的游戏规则。7月24日，AI硬件巨头英伟达创始人黄仁勋，发布了一封公开信呼吁开放模型权重。该信件将开放模型比作1980年代开源软件运动——开放权重扩大了参与AI经济的途径。初创企业、成熟企业、高校及公共机构无需从零开始训练模型，也不必为每一项任务都支付高昂的尖端模型使用费，而是可以直接基于现有的先进模型进行开发。
I | 日前，联合国人工智能问题独立国际科学小组发布报告《对人工智能带来的机遇、风险和影响的询证评估》。该报告将Qwen及DeepSeek作为全球开源AI生态代表性案例单独列出。这既是技术层面的认可，也是国际社会对中国开源治理理念的一种肯定。
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